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General Category => Tehnici, stiluri => Topic started by: Hell on September 12, 2012, 10:01:48 AM

Title: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on September 12, 2012, 10:01:48 AM
Skagit si Spey explicat misto
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ua3JT3gmsjI

Firele explicate
http://redshedflyshop.com/simonlines.html.pdf

Si mai am un pdf de la S.A. dar este prea  mare sa il pot ridica aici  :(
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: vgb on September 12, 2012, 11:54:59 AM
si io am vo' trei dvd de la Rio si alea is si mai mari ...
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on September 12, 2012, 08:23:39 PM
le pui pe transfer.ro? Dau o butelca de vin de sparta....la iarna cand o fi gata, deabea azi i-am cules si zdrobit :D
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: hasu ma on September 12, 2012, 09:01:04 PM


 cred ca si asta e interesanta

http://www.rioproducts.com/skin/summit/pdf/RIO_Spey_Casting_Manual.pdf

Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on September 12, 2012, 09:11:42 PM


 cred ca si asta e interesanta

http://www.rioproducts.com/skin/summit/pdf/RIO_Spey_Casting_Manual.pdf

Brici.....tocmai mi-am dat seama ca nu las batul suficient de mult pe spate ca sa incarc bine. Mersi :-*
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: hasu ma on September 12, 2012, 09:15:57 PM


 Eu mi-am dat seama ca il las prea mult pe spate si nu  iese bucla D asa cum ar trebui (cum imi iesea la inceput de exemplu) :)
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: tavistan on September 13, 2012, 12:15:13 AM
Adecă...cum ar veni...tu la început ai avut experienta şi amu ai pierdut-o? :D :laugh:
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: vgb on September 13, 2012, 10:09:54 AM
le pui pe transfer.ro? Dau o butelca de vin de sparta....la iarna cand o fi gata, deabea azi i-am cules si zdrobit :D

mai greu pe transfer ... da' scriu 3 dividie si ti le trimit in Sparta

si p'al patrulea pun asta http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efTRwbpiYt8
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on September 13, 2012, 11:17:31 AM
le pui pe transfer.ro? Dau o butelca de vin de sparta....la iarna cand o fi gata, deabea azi i-am cules si zdrobit :D

mai greu pe transfer ... da' scriu 3 dividie si ti le trimit in Sparta

si p'al patrulea pun asta http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efTRwbpiYt8
Please, dont put any razor blade in the package :-X
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: The Sovereign on September 14, 2012, 05:00:04 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ua3JT3gmsjI


m-am uitat pina la jumate... , n-am inteles nik
ma... atita le ia.. si atita le intrerupe si atita vorbeste despre echipament... si iar se intaorce ca o uitat ceva... si apoi iar porne de pe loc si iar baga in marshalier

canci ! m-am dat batut !
mo bagat in toate lichiturile !

pen asa prezentare... daca as fi platit belet...   parca numa sa-mi de banii napoi n-ar ndeajuns... i-as da un toc de bataie ... , zau !
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: colaps on September 14, 2012, 05:06:58 PM
lol , sincer si eu m-am uitat si nici macar pina la mujloc nu am ajuns . aiureala pura .
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Elias on September 14, 2012, 06:10:21 PM
Mie mi-a placut asta.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdCNRUEYAYk
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: muskmd on September 14, 2012, 10:48:14 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnc40QQKiVo .... dupa cateva ore de explicatii de la Mitru , cand am vazut clipul asta am inceput s ainteleg niste chestii :D


pana am ajuns pe apa  si mi-am dat seama ca tre sa mai inteleaga si mainile mele  ;D
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Elias on September 14, 2012, 11:29:17 PM
Bun,bun ;)
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: hasu ma on September 23, 2012, 01:37:33 PM


   Astea doua  videoclipuri le consider deosebit de bune pt cei ce vor sa invete lanseurile cu doua maini.
 A doua parte descrie cu sa identifici erorile de casting si cum sa le corectezi.

 Spor la vizionat si invatat  :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdCNRUEYAYk

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pq5Dik9nim0&feature=BFa&list=ULFdCNRUEYAYk

 
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Daniel on September 25, 2012, 01:44:30 PM
Auziti, mie mi-a placut povestea aia despre pescuitul cleanului (avatului) la 2 maini.

Ce ziceti? mai scrieti ceva? ca imi plac mai mult chestiile cu aplicatie practica. Prefer ceva despre DH si pesti autohtoni. M-am saturat de povesti sau video-uri cu somoni la care nu ajung niciodata sau foarte rar. Si daca se vor capturi exotice atunci de ce nu scobar, mreana, somn, crap ...
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: colaps on September 25, 2012, 01:46:15 PM
da chiar asa helu :D
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: JB on September 25, 2012, 01:55:31 PM
Pai Hellu' e la pescuit de tarpon, in Spania iar domnu' Vice prinde numai marlin...de unde clean si avat?
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on September 25, 2012, 02:43:50 PM
Dane, une-ai umblat pana acum? Am impresia ca vorbesc tot de unu singur p'aici.

La avat tot ce iti pot spune este ca distanta, marimea/culoarea streamerelui si cum io areti conteaza.
La clean....se aplica multe reguli (ma refer la culori) de la mustele mici gen 12-16. La Dh-uri din nou ai avantajul ca nu trebuie sa faci multe fals casturi. Dar si aici conteaza de unde si cum io prezinti.
Am luat cleni pe zonkere de 8 cm cu full sink, dar am luat si la suprafata (mai in primavara) cu shlapi. Chiar si cu streamere.
Acum incerc cu ceva nimfe legate pe tub sa dau dupa mreana si clean...vedem cand ajung acasa.
Oricum...DH-u iti da ceva avantaje gen:
- distanta obtinuta lejer si aici vorbesc de la 20-30 m
- nu trebuie sa faci false casturi
- nu iti trebuie prea mult spatiu in spate pentru lanseuri
 si dezavantaje :
- pana prinzi shpilu cu lansatul este oleaca descurajator
- nu prea mai poti pescuii cu uscate finute
- pierzi din delicatetea prezentarii
- daca vorbim de rauri late de 20 m...nu prea isi are sensul


plus, trebuie gandita bine clasa si lungimea pe care o vrei, am:
- unu de 13' 7/8
- unu de 12' 5/6

cel de clasa mai mare merge bine la pesti sariti de kil, daca nu...pierzi din placerea drilului.
Cel mic, la pesti pana in 2 kile este poezie, am prins cu el avati de pana intr-un kil....lucreaza misto!
Daca nu erau pestii aia...nu cred ca il luam!

In fond si la urma urmei....un DH trebuie sa te ''mangaie pe suflet'' ca sa iti placa stilul ;)
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Daniel on September 25, 2012, 03:15:43 PM
Auzi, da eu m-am invatat cu leadere lungi, asa ai si ceva finete la prezentare si nu sperii pestii.
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on September 25, 2012, 03:21:42 PM
Da, aia ar fi o solutie.
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on October 01, 2012, 08:23:34 PM
http://speypages.com/speyclave/showthread.php?t=61109
si un topic bun de citit!
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on October 01, 2012, 08:33:18 PM
pareri despre mana in care se tine running line-ul
http://speypages.com/speyclave/showthread.php?t=20360

si cum sa tii mai mult running line pe degete in apa
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2s5lUi_KIg
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: tavistan on October 01, 2012, 08:45:41 PM
Dane, une-ai umblat pana acum? Am impresia ca vorbesc tot de unu singur p'aici.

...

... pai nu esti tu DH division?  ;D
Vorbeam si cu vgb mai zilele trecute despre tema asta; si are dreptate: in cele mai multe situatii te poti lipsi de DH. Problema este ca odata ce te-ai apucat de chestia asta, te trezesti ca, odata ajuns pe apa, DH-ul devine brusc prima optiune, indiferent ca se potriveste sau nu... cel putin pentru minee valabil.
In ce priveste eficienta, stilul asta, ca oricare altul, are limitele lui. Trebuie judecat in functie de situatie si de apa pe care vrei sa pescuiesti; cat am vazut la TM - fara indoiala ca nu am vazut tot si nu mi-am facut o impresie decat partiala - in cazul in care te gadila piticii, o lanseta de switch de clasa 6 e mai mult decat suficienta,. indiferent ca vorbim de clean sau de avat. Nu-ti da distanta unui DH veritabil dar daca ajungi sa o stapanesti poate fi mult mai discreta decat un DH puternic (mai ales cu un head tip scandi si cu polileader-e).

Problema mea este ca deocamdata discretia nu este pe lista abilitatilor - adica daca pe un loc linistit unde vrei sa dai sa zicem la 15-20 de metri dai de 5 ori in liniste si a 6-a oara smulgi headul de pe apa ca pe o ventuza, poti spune PA! La fel, daca dai la uscate mai mari (care merg foarte bine la switch) smulgi musca tare din apa, zici ca dai la clonc... din nou PA! Dar e limpede ca pe o astfel de apa cu un head de 23-24 de grame ai mult mai multe sanse sa fii discret decat cu unul de 40-50.

E esential in acelasi timp ca primele sesiuni de casting sa-ti fie "supervizate" de unul care are habar... pentru mine asta a fost Hell si a contat mult de tot; oricat de bine ti-ar iesi roll-cast-ul dinamic si tehnicile under hand la SH, cand treci la DH lucrurile se schimba.

Ah! sa nu uit: PAREREA MEA!  ;D
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on October 01, 2012, 08:50:19 PM
io-s DH division doar la M13
Eniuei, ai perfecta dreptate....dar nu uita....nu avem stapanita tehnica necesara pentru delicatete
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: tavistan on October 01, 2012, 09:06:18 PM
io-s DH division doar la M13
Eniuei, ai perfecta dreptate....dar nu uita....nu avem stapanita tehnica necesara pentru delicatete
... nici nu am pus pret pe ea pana acum; a trebuit sa dau o gherla pe Timis intr-un loc plin cu cleni ca sa realizez cat e de importanta... dar in orice caz, gherlele le stapanesc destul de bine!
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on October 01, 2012, 09:07:56 PM
Felicitari!
Hai sa lasam topicul asta doar linkuri si sugestii
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: tavistan on October 01, 2012, 09:11:47 PM
Felicitari!
Hai sa lasam topicul asta doar linkuri si sugestii
Bah! discretia la clean este CEL PUTIN o sugestie!
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on October 01, 2012, 09:14:16 PM
nu tot timpu, right JB ? :laugh:

Face un admin curat? Va rog frumos
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: hasu ma on October 02, 2012, 06:15:12 PM


 Pastrand ideea (pana face un admin curatenie) - se poate pescui cu bete  gen DH   si cu head-uri usoare de 12 -  15 grame  - perfecte pentru  clean pe rauri cu multa vegetatie.   Se pot modifica bete Sh  de 9" astfel incat  sa iti permita sa lansezi ca si cu un DH. Plus ca se pot folosi si ca si Sh-uri.   



   Aici gasiti niste link-uri:

 http://forum.skagitmaster.com/index.php?topic=701.0

 http://forum.skagitmaster.com/index.php?topic=708.0

http://2handedtrout.com/?p=1934

  Eu am incercat anul asta asa ceva si pot sa zic ca merge - am prins 1 buc peste  :D

 E o scoala buna pana sa te hotarasti sa cumperi DH-uri  cu gramaj  de 50 grame.

Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: muskmd on October 02, 2012, 06:59:16 PM
merge si cu clasicele 5wt 8'6 mai , doar ca trebuie adaptate firele
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: hasu ma on October 02, 2012, 07:19:31 PM

 Categoric

   Ideea ca  trebuie sa pupi firul  cu  bota.  Atat  la greutate cat si lungime. 

 Initiatii zic ca firele trebuie sa fie cam cu 3 clase mai grele decat clasa reala a batului , iar lungimea  firului trebuie sa fie undeva intre 2.3 pana la 2.7  lungimea batului.

   
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: muskmd on October 02, 2012, 09:00:33 PM
clar e un avantaj sa fie mai greu. dar daca te obisnuiesti cu batul reusesti sa dai si fara greutate in plus, ci doar cu firele normale de single . cand mi-a zis asta dumitru acum 2 ani nu l-am crezut  :laugh:

Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Tavi on October 02, 2012, 10:05:11 PM
Evident ca lanseul underhand se poate face si cu bete si fire de o mana. Eu am incercat vara asta cu batul de uscata clasa 3, 8'. Merge! Si e f. util in locurile cu pomi in spate.
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Sheniloiu on October 02, 2012, 10:42:33 PM
Sâmbătă, din plictiseală şi pentru că oricum nu prindeam nimic, am încercat nişte lansări în stil spey clasic cu lanseta #8 SH, 9ft, cu un fir WF8F. Deoarece are fighting but iar mânerul de plută este destul de lung, îţi permite oarecum să o foloseşti ca pe un DH. Desigur, nu cu aceleaşi rezultate. Am reuşit chiar câteva lansări reuşite, dar mai important este că se poate face ceva când nu ai loc în spate. Un alt plus - pentru distanţe egale, e mai lejer de lansat. Neajunsuri: firul WF clasic nu e cea mai indicată soluţie. Dacă apa e liniştită, nu mai prinzi peşte, faci doar casting, zgomotul e îngrozitor!
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on October 02, 2012, 10:45:26 PM
Nu ai nevoie sa ti mana acolo pe butt.
Te ajuti de mana libera sa incarci suplimentar lanseta ;)
Toata "smecheria" sta in ridicat, ancorat si bucla din spate
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: tavistan on October 02, 2012, 11:12:09 PM
Sâmbătă, din plictiseală şi pentru că oricum nu prindeam nimic, am încercat nişte lansări în stil spey clasic cu lanseta #8 SH, 9ft, cu un fir WF8F. Deoarece are fighting but iar mânerul de plută este destul de lung, îţi permite oarecum să o foloseşti ca pe un DH. Desigur, nu cu aceleaşi rezultate. Am reuşit chiar câteva lansări reuşite, dar mai important este că se poate face ceva când nu ai loc în spate. Un alt plus - pentru distanţe egale, e mai lejer de lansat. Neajunsuri: firul WF clasic nu e cea mai indicată soluţie. Dacă apa e liniştită, nu mai prinzi peşte, faci doar casting, zgomotul e îngrozitor!
Siiii, cu fighting butt-ul ala mai luuuuung un piiiic, ajungem la swiiiiitch!  ;D
Esti sigur ca ai facut un spey clasic? sau poate mai degraba un spey clasic ratat?  :P Eniuei, daca jnurul a plecat, e foarte bine, sau au fost mai multe greseli care s-au anulat reciproc!  :laugh: Incearca asa: pornesti miscarea cu firul intins in fata si lanseta cu varful jos-jos! ridici snurul de pe apa printr-o miscare in plan vertical, oprindu-te inainte de a ajunge cu bratul la orizontala; incepi miscarea in spate, pe un traiect usooor ascendent (asta te va asigura ca musca va fi mai jos decat snurul si in timpul urmator va ancora prima; opresti miscarea undeva in spate, brusc, ca si cand ai stoarce drq maneru' ala nesuferit si incepi o miscare usor ascendenta, in asa fel incat sa "desenezi" o bucla D, ca la roll cast, doar ca si bratul inferior va fi in aer; in momentul in care musca a atins apa (adica a ancorat, iar daca miscarea asta e executata corect musca va pica pe apa prima) zvarli in fata - iti poti imagina miscarea ca si cand ai avea o lingura cu smantana in mana si vrei s-o fleoscai unui dujman in ochi! Lanseul va fi ajutat ENORM daca aplici si o tractiune usoara in timpul final al miscarii... Succesuri!  ;)
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on October 02, 2012, 11:28:07 PM
si cotul drept lipit de corp
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: muskmd on October 02, 2012, 11:31:48 PM
bre.... o tura cu unu care  o dibuit miscarea face cat 500 de pagini de caterinca din asta de-a noastra ......
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: tavistan on October 02, 2012, 11:33:50 PM
Pai bre! nea Dan tocmai a facut o tura cu MINE! CARTZ, TUTZ CEAPA... :laugh:
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: muskmd on October 02, 2012, 11:34:18 PM
cine e Mine ?



 ;D
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: muskmd on October 02, 2012, 11:39:44 PM
tavi r u following me ?  :-*


 :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: muskmd on October 02, 2012, 11:42:13 PM
cmooonn...that slow ?  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on October 02, 2012, 11:42:52 PM
 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: tavistan on October 02, 2012, 11:43:08 PM
Pai bre! nea Dan tocmai a facut o tura cu MINE! ...
... care MINE tomna' ce-a explodat pe malu' timisului pe motiv de gherla... MGO is MINE! Am I fffffff...ing you?  ;D
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: muskmd on October 02, 2012, 11:44:18 PM
nu e bai, te iertam....tu ai lanseta din aia mica  :laugh:
si nehotarata.... swinger din aia  :P  :laugh:
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: tavistan on October 02, 2012, 11:48:08 PM
Mdah! tu ai avut-o lunga si hotarata! hotarata sa te lase! PLEOOOOOSC!  :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: muskmd on October 02, 2012, 11:51:41 PM
got a new one  ;D

continuam ? :P

stai sa imi pun un pahar pana nu sterge hellu posturile  :laugh:
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on October 02, 2012, 11:52:59 PM
Bite me  :P
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: muskmd on October 02, 2012, 11:56:39 PM
revenind la topic.

revelatia o fo aia cu cotul pe langa corp si cu miscarea aia frumoasa din trunchi .... cand te duci un pic cu umarul inainte ca parca iti mai da olea de putere  ;D
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: tavistan on October 03, 2012, 12:07:20 AM
got a new one  ;D

...
Bah! Lanseta aia ti-a vorbit! dar tu n-ai ascultat-o!
" Andreeei! Andreeei! nu ma mai siluiiii! nu ca nu mi-ar placea la tine-n mana... dar stii? aia de la Maver m-au facut prea lunga! sunt un fel de Ghita Muresan al lansetelor!!!"
Tu nu si nu!
"Taci, tuz' ^%$# m**-tii si pescuieste acolo! ca ia uite! Siretul e plin de clenutzi si de strapi (n.a.: astia de la sfarsit sunt doar o figura de stil) pe care tre sa-i necajesc! Longer means farther!"
"Andrei! Andrei! Dar iata: tavistan/tavi-mgo pescuieste cu un fel de Micahel Jordan!"
"Lasa, da-te drq; ca daca te rupi tu de schinare, il iau pe Shaqiulle O'Neal; doar ca tre sa-l mai lunjesc de vreo schioapa"
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: tavistan on October 03, 2012, 12:08:28 AM
Bine-ai venit on topic!  :P c-am plecat io!
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on October 03, 2012, 12:10:58 AM
ntz ntz!
Da la ficat si fuge!
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: muskmd on October 03, 2012, 08:28:25 AM
dottore...io mai am un singur dor :D ...io cu a ta am prins...tu cu a mea ai prins ?  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: tavistan on October 03, 2012, 08:42:33 AM
pai normal c-ai prins, bre! ca-i buna! io cu LANSETA ta n-am prins ca ma grabeam sa dau cu a mea!  :laugh: :laugh:
Mah, sincer! n-am deslusit-o; e impunatoare (adica era, saraca), ajungi cu ea departe si daca nu lansezi  :P dar nah! nu-i pentru mine; sper sa reusesc sa-mi fac una pentru sezonul urmator, pentru situatii gen baraj/canal de fuga/alte zone largi dar ma opresc la maaaax. 13,5 craci; poate doar 13; nah, io am impresia ca astea mai minione sunt mai prietenoase cu mine... ;D
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: muskmd on October 03, 2012, 09:04:27 AM
radem glumim da io tot nu am ajuns sa probez haracu' asta proaspat :laugh:
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: tavistan on October 03, 2012, 09:08:04 AM
...tot nu vrei sa dai neshte detalii? murim de curiozitate  :-[
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on October 03, 2012, 09:09:06 AM
Am asa un feeling ca o sa ma opresc la un 15' clasa 8.
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: tavistan on October 03, 2012, 09:13:58 AM
Mah, e limpede ca undeva tre' sa va opriti si voi! Io-s mai batran!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: muskmd on October 03, 2012, 09:30:42 AM
15 cu 8 s-ar putea sa fie cam moale.....
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on October 03, 2012, 09:34:25 AM
De aia imi este frica :(
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: tavistan on October 03, 2012, 09:44:50 AM
Bah, pai nu mai bine meretz voi pe malu' halalalt?  ;D
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on October 03, 2012, 09:48:08 AM
Deja suntem pe malul care trebuie :laugh:
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: tavistan on October 03, 2012, 09:52:10 AM
Ahmmmm... si vreti sa zvarliti pe malul opus celui care trebe... this is a f...ing puzzle!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Sheniloiu on October 03, 2012, 08:21:38 PM
Tavi, teoria aia o ştiu, de aia spun că am scos câteva lansări frumoase. Repet, în stilul spey, nu varianta scandinavică! Totuşi, distanţa prea mică între cele două mâini pentru succes total!
Da, cu "fundul bătăios" (faceţi voi altă traducere, dacă sunteţi mai breji ;D) mai lung ar fi un switch, dar nu e!
Pe Tavi nu l-am urmărit ce face, mi-a fost frică să nu îl stresez, după aia dădea vina pi mini pentru schimbarea nick-ului. Aşa că nu am avut ce învăţa! Dar mi-am amintit ce am văzut pe net şi demonstraţia de la Muscărici de anul trecut, cu Saşa.
Oricum, cine are chef de DH, nu îl poate înlocui eficient cu un SH, chiar şi de clasă mare. Un switch probabil că ar mai merge, nu ştiu, nu am încercat aşa ceva. Dar chiar şi la un SH se pot ivi ceva situaţii când ai nevoie de ceva figuri de spey!
P.S. Văd că a îngheţat şi iadul şi a ieşit la iveală un vulpoi polar! În curând nu mai ştim cine cu cine se mai ia de păr! ;D
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on October 12, 2012, 04:05:30 PM
http://www.rioproducts.com/skin/summit/pdf/Understanding%20Spey%20lines%202013.pdf
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on October 12, 2012, 04:35:11 PM
http://www.rioproducts.com/fishing-tips/videos/
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on October 17, 2012, 09:30:46 PM
O scurta evaluare a unui Dh mic

A.R.E 12' 5/6

Head - Rio Afs 5/6 10m 22 grame
Running line -  Amnesia, nu mai tin minte diametrul
Raul -  Olt

Pro:
Foarte placut in casting atat overhead cat si underhand, usor in mana, se incarca cam pe la jumate,  protejeaza mono 0,16 in drill foarte bine.
Va fi perect la clean in vara, eu am tras doar de avati cu el

Contra:
Nu este un bat de iesit cu el pe vant.
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Elias on October 18, 2012, 03:26:25 PM
.Nu-i prea greu firul,se incarca bine cu cele 22gr? ::)
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: muskmd on October 18, 2012, 05:34:48 PM
nu e prea greu. 25 era cam mult....gafaia...
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on October 18, 2012, 08:16:05 PM
Azi, dupa ce am zis stop joc, m-am jucat vreo 40 min cu el.
20-24 m ii scoti lejer, fara sa te bagi in el, fara sa schimbi greutatea de pe un picior pe altul. Si prezentarea....te unge pe suflet. Sincer.....cand v-a incepe cleanul din nou sa pape in suprafata, o sa fie o placere sa pescuiesti cu el!
Firul este exact cat imi place mie. Atat in lungime cat si in greutate
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on November 01, 2012, 04:23:14 PM
D loop
http://www.speypages.com/D%20Loop%20NS.pdf
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on November 01, 2012, 04:26:46 PM
http://speypages.com/membership.html
Mitre, te rog frumos arunca un ochi la video ala Vloop.
Si spune-mi ce parere ai
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on November 01, 2012, 11:27:32 PM
Head-uri Scandi Sinking.
http://speypages.com/speyclave/showthread.php?t=62094
Interesanta discutie
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: tavistan on November 02, 2012, 07:16:02 AM
Mishto link-uri, Hell! Multzam! Promit sa le studiez  :-\ vad ca esti tot mai mult fan al headurilor scandi....
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on November 02, 2012, 08:41:07 AM
Da, mi s-a explicat niste treburi....si m-am pus cu burta pe carte.
Siiiiiii, oricum, suntem europeni 8)
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: colaps on November 02, 2012, 08:45:23 AM
vad ca sunteti multi trecuti pe scandi, skagit si alte chestii de 2 maini si xx picioare ... nu aveti ceva headuri de sh care sa trebuiasca aruncate ? vreau sa fac teste pe acasa daca tot nu pot iesi pe apa ... orice e bun.

scuze de semi-off topic .
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: muskmd on November 02, 2012, 09:04:36 AM
ce clasa te intereseaza ?
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: colaps on November 02, 2012, 09:06:41 AM
nush ce se potriveste pentru betele mele. am un 5/6 si un 6/7 ... :( 7 ?
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: muskmd on November 02, 2012, 09:24:30 AM
7 n-am.
am un 6 obosit dar functional. daca il vrei mai zvarle odata adresa ....
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: colaps on November 02, 2012, 09:49:42 AM
daca esti dispus sa te desparti de el , incerc sa vad cum merge .
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on January 03, 2013, 10:06:59 PM
Am primit acordul proprietarului sa posetez fisierul asta aici....poate ajuta pe careva  :D
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on January 03, 2013, 11:49:29 PM
O discutie interesanta despre polyleadere (http://speypages.com/speyclave/showthread.php?p=451830#post451830) si scandi heads
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on January 06, 2013, 12:51:05 PM
Sa nu va mai duceti pe link-ul respectiv....o sinteza foarte misto a topicului care a luat-o pe aratura (deh, interese mari acolo, toti sunt ghizi )

Quote
A scandi labeled spey shooting head that is NOT designed and built from the factory for multi sink tips, nor cut back ~ chop/shop by the end user angler, for multi sink tips, is NOT going to handle sink tips well period. In upper grains it will handle versi/poly leaders of length,grains and depth in lower grains it will handle less poly leaders. Even some of these, if long and fine tapered may need to be cut back some for poly leaders.
These are not original underhand/scandi tapered spey shooting heads. Goran Andersson made his from up grained, DT Salmon lines. No back taper and typically on such a DT about 8' of front taper is all. Such a taper has a strong power of delivery. Modern triangle tapers have their purpose also. A parallel in Skagit is the old beer can taper as compared to a Flight head.
Any Scandi labeled/tapered spey shooting head which is designed and built from the factory as a multi tip ~ OBVIOUSLY handles sink tips. Rio Scandi Short Versi Tip , which in Europe is essentially the Tracker labeled Scandi head for 15' DC tips, here with the popularity of switch rods labeled SSVT and with 10' tips for a better switch rod ratio but, it handles 15' DC tips also. The Guideline DDC, Loop Tackles various,etc. These all handle appropriate T8 also and more depending on the casters skill level. Popular heads like Vision Ace, Compact Scandi , Steelhead Scandi, Elixer,AFS,Zpey,etc. all pretty much follow the original Vision Ace triangle taper. The much analyzed, critiqued AFS is very similar to a Ace long if one cares to research. It's a extended front taper, extended length, added stealth. These are all made for poly/versi leaders and have medium power of delivery. If one wants true DC sink tip ability from ~ cut them back. The short 10' DC sink tips from Rio in lower grains (55-65 example) can be used rather than poly / versi if one wants on mid upper grained triangles heads above. They won't extract the tip's as well as the poly once into the deep levels.
Other Scandi labeled shooting heads like the former Airflo Scandinavian, PT's, Loops, former Rio's etc. that are more step'ed tapered, WF tapered and less triangles yet, still not cut back for tip ~ made for poly have a stronger power of delivery. I think it has been wrote here about a million times that a Guideline Power Taper Floating or Intermediate spey shooting head, cut back for the tips/fronts is the same thing as a factory Guideline DDC.

Obviously, if you want to start using factory DC sink tips, T8 , etc. on your all float Scandi tapered head be it triangle tapered, step'ed what ever, in anything but the most modest grains,lengths and particularly if your head is less than 400 grains ~ YOUR EITHER GOING TO CUT IT BACK OR GO BUY A FACTORY MADE SPECIFIC SYSTEM. It is pretty simple and the same for all flyfishing lines be it single or double hand WF or triangle tapered. If you have a all float Delta short belly are you going to add 12'-15' 80-120 + DC sink tips rather than poly for daily use if you want sink tips? = no. Your either going to buy the Delta multi tip or cut it back for tips.

A skagit head down grained so that the total grains of the head and tip equal what a typical skagit head body only is = a multi tip scandi head period. Every ounce of skagit comes from scandi, follows scandi/underhand spey shooting heads in a up grained, more mass per foot format for bigger tips, particularly straight T tips and larger, bulkier,heavier fly's. Waterborn/SA casts handle jumk better than T & G ~ ANY head or line. Obviously skagit fishing is better suited to waterborne / SA.
Scandi / Underhand adds taper over years ~ Skagit follows more taper options today than ever. Scandi/Underhand has full sink/multi tips of various as a system. Skagit~oligy masters extensively write SA's about the need for "droop" (heavy,fast sink tips/T14 etc off fat, high float belly's) and methodically convey how, although a full sink system ultimately gets deeper, droop is the key and setting such needed and yet,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, now you see EVERY major manufacture add intermediate Skagit heads,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and many skagit practitioners are toting their virtues for certains waters,seasons,currents etc.

IMO - it's more about the grains used and the cast's one prefers predominately day in and out than anything and why I PREFER TO USE THE TERM SPEY SHOOTING HEADS of various delivery power than geographically dubbed names like Scandi/Skagit. Perhaps better would be to say "scandi or skagit" style fishing? Down graining a skagit labeled spey shooting head so that it can comfortably be two hand over head cast and T & G spey casts is not IMO a skagit head nor skagit fishing, it is scandi/underhand. Up graining a already strong power of delivery, multi tip, scandi labeled head so that the body alone weighs what the tip and body normally come in at, leading to waterborne/sa preference and the lack of smooth two hand over head delivery.......toss in some T tips = skagit imo.

I own all the complete kits from 5wt approx 55 grain to 9 wt approx 95 grain 10' Rio DC tips mentioned originally here along with Rio 10'Versi spey leaders, 6' same, Airflo 14'ers etc. I have fished those 10' sink tips a lot. In lighter grains I see ZERO difference between them and a 10' Rio versi leader IN ACTUALLY FISHING SITUATIONS, runs I know VERY well, same flies.....IF the fly or tube is inherently a fast sinker be it metal tube, bead head,cone head or tied on a heavy salmon wire hook. The sink tip does extract a bit harder in slow flows. It does NOT have more turnover power for larger, heavier flies as in question here ~ T8 does ! They DO sink a not so fast sinking fly like a marabou on a hook faster. The most noticeable difference in tips is a) the clear intermediate sink tip is noticeably faster , deeper sinking than the versi leader same. The versi leader 7.0 inch per second is noticeably faster,deeper sinking/fishing than the type 6 x 10' in either 55 or 65 similar grains.......that is why I carry 10' of T8/T7 for my deep tip. Loop on a type 2 intermediate head with the tips and you definitely get 15-20% deeper in part because it swings 20% slower along with the entire head sinking and basically being DC comp.

For myself using a spey shooting head system set up for mass power, resulting in preference of waterborne/sa casts is NOT versatile BUT rather SPECIFIC tool to fishing big junk (tips and flys). Have a spey shooting head multi tip system that is grained lighter, approx. equal in body and tip to what the above is body only ~ IS very versatile from top water to deep, T & G to snap spey casts swing, two hand over head bombs in the surf or frog water etc. Personally, The last thing I want to do is waterborn/sa spey a gurgler/Sca-popper all summer because of my head grain choice rather than single spey it or two hand over head in frog water. Yet, this versatile set up LACKS the big T tip BIG 5"-6" wt'ed fly ability of a more mass skagit. It does fit everything but, it does fill the majority for me hence = "versatile" and I am very confident the vast majority of two handed spey casters,fishers in the world would agree ~ of the most polar three today, in multi tips , that being skagit,scandi and short bellys that depending on your most frequently visited waters a scandi or short belly multi tip would be far and above considered by the majority "most versatile" and a skagit considered most specific LEAST versatile ~ but hey..........what ever floats your boat............. FWIW - I sure would not call a scandi grained type 3/4 full sink "versatile" either but rather "specific" personally, I would prefer to see ALL the spey shooting heads boxes labeled ~ SPEY SHOOTING HEAD period with a schematic profile of the taper and a brief description mostly in regards to the power of delivery. Shooting heads be it single or double hand, WF,triangles,multi tips,float to sinkers are simple concepts but never a fit for the "keep it simple" minder flyfisherman be it today or decades ago because of the many choices from run / shoot lines to heads........the talk has always been "grains" including single hand. Manufactures whom have tried to label shooting heads by a rod weight have received nothing but, flack from the consumer if the grains were not also listed for each somewhere ~ the reason being most ARE experienced with know there rods true rating best and know what they like.

So as simple as the concept of shooting heads are single or double hand, over head or spey cast.........they are far from a "keep it simple" mentality ......which has always led to many bar school discussions and long before the internet was around.......fresh and salt water....single and two hand......spey and over head.......and always will........that is what comes with the versatility of choosing your own run/shoot line and looping on to it in 60 seconds flat what ever the hell head you want

SPEY SHOOTING HEADS , THE REST IS CASTING PREFERENCE,FISHING PREFERENCE.
Anything specific for throwing big junk or light & tiny, limits casting
to this or that preference, is extra long bellied or extra short bellied.........REALLY ain't going to be very versatile but, if you want to convince your own head otherwise........have at it.................btw single hand lines are no different ~ WF-F, long belles, short powerful bass/pike/muskie, delicate spring creek Trout, general purpose, DT's,shooting heads etc. ................. "versatile" is not going to EVER lean heavy on strong nor light power of delivery, short or long, etc........... but knock yourself out convincing yourself otherwise....

No spell / grammar check ~ finger poke reply with my morning coffee

PS ~ Rick you uncharacteristically (for you) added a lot of gas to a nice little thread camp fire. I am not going to argue/debate that with you on top of. No biggie.......thats the net,forums,etc. and more than anything "winter". Sorry, to you and Wild Bill if I offended. BTW- if you know, follow jabster and his thoughts, preference,script at all you would see he and many others use a skagit labeled spey shooting head multi tip, in much lighter grains as a scandi/underhand grained set up........nothing new there.........imo.......it is certainly not "skagit" fishing or casting for that matter but......what ever.
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: The Sovereign on January 06, 2013, 04:07:14 PM
Quote
A scandi labeled spey shooting head that is NOT designed and built from the factory for multi sink tips, nor cut back ~ chop/shop by the end user angler, for multi sink tips, is NOT going to handle sink tips well period.

n-am avut rabdare sa citesc mai departe...
cine scrie asa ceva are " niste " pareri ... , dar nu intellege sau stie mai nimic despre fire !
probabil unii vor pune botul... deh... e scris in iengleza !  :laugh:
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on January 06, 2013, 04:17:08 PM
De aia am dat copy/paste aici.
Sa  iti aud si parerea ta.  :D

Mi bulit mess-ul....nu pot intra deloc, culmea chiar si daca vrea sa il deintalez si sa il instalez din nou nu pot  >:D

Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: colaps on January 06, 2013, 06:08:27 PM
mah si dece nu folosesti messu din yahoo mail ? ;) baga-te in registri eventual da search dupa yahoo messanger si sterge tot ce tine de el . e destul de ciudat ca nu iti merge ...sigur nu ai inregistrat ceva porcarii 3d party ? de genul new smylessi kkturi deastea ? deobicei acolo o iei in barba .... virusache :D
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on January 06, 2013, 06:38:23 PM
Nope...nu am instalat nimic din ce ai zis tu
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: tavistan on January 06, 2013, 07:11:29 PM
Dumitre, nu detaliezi un pic? Mie mi se pare banal de adevarat ce zice ala in prima fraza; ce drq de sink tip sa mai pui la un SH care se subtiaza si se subtiaza si se subtiaza? mi se pare logic sa-l tai vreo 3 metri si sa-i pui sink tipul corespunzator...  :-\ Gresesc?
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on January 06, 2013, 07:19:57 PM
In discutia de acolo unii ziceau de 3 m de T-8

Plus ca prima data a plecat discutia de la ceva poly leadere si/sau versileader.
Apoi, tipic lor au inceput sa laude Skagitul descoperit in America (astia au impresia ca iar au inventat mersul pe jos). Defapt de aia nu le plac Scandi-urile  ca nu-s inventate in State :laugh:.   
De acolo si postarea de mai sus.

Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: The Sovereign on January 06, 2013, 11:10:14 PM
de la bun inceput tipul e frustrat caci legile fizici functioneaza

felu in care se iexprima si modul in care pune el problema denota caci le vede sau si le doreste " la de-a gata "
pt el... caci nu le intelege...
le vrea ca un sistem... ,
" ca la prosti "... aia mere cu aia si aia cu ailalta...
daca invers nu se pupa e nasol sa tai din ea !  :laugh:
iexperinta si cunostintele lui iexprimate sint izvorite din multe " cumparaturi " neinspirate
dar are pretentiii...
si asadar critica ce nu intelege ...
evident..
doar omu o dat bani pe iele si daca nu merg cum isi inchipuia iel insemna ca-s nashpa !

are parere proasta despre oamenii care isi croiesc fire
despre reglaj fin
pt ca nu il intelege, iel habar nu are caci din munca aia provi profile bune de fire...

din punctul meu de vedere e pierdere de timp s-al citesti pe unu ca asta .. indignat... care constata caci legile fizicii face inpotrijire

asa de indirjit si suparat e caci nu face diferenta nici intre stiluri de lansare
la mintea lui... un snur bun ar trebui sa mearga lansat la fel de bine si underhand cit si pe spate

deh.. are pretentii cam multe...

om cu bani dar fara minte !
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: tavistan on January 06, 2013, 11:26:29 PM
Pai bre Dumitre! Io fraza aia o inteleg asa: Un snur scandi care nu este proiectat si construit din fabrica pentru multi sink tip si nici taiat/croit de utilizatorul final pentru scopul asta nu se va descurca bine cu sink tip-uri PUNCT.
Pai io cam sunt de acord cu zicerea asta. Adica daca ai un head scandi cu varful ala luuuung si subtire, ori il folosesti cu leader simplu, sau poly/versitip, ori il baji in p- ma-sii, tai din el si-i pui un sink tip dupa gustul propriu. Gresesc?
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: The Sovereign on January 06, 2013, 11:42:06 PM
gresesti in cazul in care o zici ca iel... din punctul lui de vedere...

precum ca e dezamagit ca nu mere si asadar nu e bun ca nu mere si cu alea...

deh... are pretentii aiurea !

daca intelegea cum functioneaza nu facea pretentii ca tziganu la curu masi ci prin intelegere mai buna apare si acceptarea al adevarurilor esentiale...

ierarhia dezvaluita de el se rezuma la o simplificare de sisteme pt tot prostu

el nu promoveaza sau prefera o mai buna intelegere a sculelor

ci spera la o simplificare standardizata care nu trebe neapart inteleasa ci sa fie functionabila simpla de cumparat si critica ce nu e dupa sablonul lui de gindire

ce vreau io sa zic... , e ca noi romanii avem tendinta sa intelegem lucrurile... cum functioneaza...  si sa stim ce vrem si de ce...


pe cind la el auzi doar aia... , aia nu mere cu aia... deci e nashpa...
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: The Sovereign on January 06, 2013, 11:48:09 PM
un fraier cu pareri...
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: tavistan on January 07, 2013, 12:00:11 AM
Mah, io n-am luat decat prima fraza... ca n-am ajuns nici io prea departe; urmeaza!
Da' ia zi: il cunosti pe preopinetu'?  ;D
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: The Sovereign on January 07, 2013, 12:04:12 AM
nu ! nu il cunosc si nici nu simt nevoia...

tu ai vrut sa ma iexplic... , si am facuto la cererea ta !
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on January 07, 2013, 12:09:17 AM
Americani....n-ai cum sa nu ii iubesti  :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: colaps on January 07, 2013, 09:08:06 AM
am o zicala pentru asta "fuck`em all" :)
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on January 07, 2013, 05:43:01 PM
Grija cu ARE se pare cu doar cu noi s-a intamplat  ::)
http://speypages.com/speyclave/showthread.php?p=452901#post452901
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: hasu ma on February 24, 2013, 04:28:27 PM

  Voi dupa ce pesti  pescuiti cu DH-urile?  Cu ce muste?

 Eu mi-am luat DH-ul pentru Avat si clean. Dar  ma bate gandul si la mreana cu  firele potrivite.

    Pentru avat - streamere;
    Pt clean - slapi,  ude si streamere;

  Am incercat si cu slapi  la clean, dar fara un succes notabil. Dar mai  insist.  :D
 

 
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on February 24, 2013, 05:35:56 PM
Anul asta vreau sa incerc mai mult la mreana.....adica sa dau ceva gherle....dar un drill cu o mrenoaca din olt.....mertia!
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: ckostea on February 24, 2013, 10:24:55 PM
 Hell, fir intins! :D
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on February 24, 2013, 10:27:54 PM
Am un "pariu" cu Tavi the One pe tema asta.
Vreau din tot sufletul sa nu-l pierd  :D
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: ckostea on February 24, 2013, 10:32:08 PM
 :laugh:
Bre, sa nu te superi, eu te voi deranja pentru niste modele&originale prinzatoare in cazul asta! Dar sa nu anticipam! :D
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on February 24, 2013, 10:35:32 PM
Corect :D
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on March 06, 2013, 06:33:42 PM
Azi am scapat oleaca de muncile gradinii caracteristice primaverii.
Deci era timp de dat omoru' la pitici.
Cu toate ca bate vantul prea cam tare am reusit sa gasesc un cot de rau ferit de vant.
Am scos DH-ul ala mic si am scos piticul pe interval (http://x.myspacecdn.com/modules/webim/static/img/emoticons/emoticon_nerd.gif)
DT5 se numeste piticul. :laugh:
La prima impresie...nasparliu rau de tot, nu se incarca batul. :-X
Am scos vreo 20-22 m de fir.
Daca nu ridcam firul cum trebuie sa formez bulca...... :-X
Pana am prins miscare 8) Prezentari asa de elegante....mai greu imi ieseau mie cu o uda pe carlig de 14 la distanta aia.
Leader perfect intins...pfuuui POEZIE :D


Apoi am trecut pe clasa 7/8 cu head dedicat 12.5m cuplat la amnesia ???
Atunci am inceput sa simt firul si mai bine. :o

Morala, degeaba vrei sa dai departe daca nu faci miscarea aia de ridicare a firului si de formare a buclei cum trebuie ;)
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: hasu ma on March 06, 2013, 07:15:21 PM
 
 Vezi ce patesti daca dai la altii headurile?    :P

Asta e pregatirea pentru mrene la vara?   

 Cum vrei sa dai? Muste, fire, etc.   
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on March 06, 2013, 07:26:07 PM
Mreana o sa o abordez bazandu-ma pe o cunostinta de 3 ani (fly fishing, aici intra batut zona la picioar de am invatat fiecare parag, platou,  gropana si puterea curentului) a apei si inca vreo 3 ani de spinning in care am prins. :D

Totul se va rezuma la debitul de anul asta, si la cum vad eu apa acum...sunt 50-50 sanse sa dau de ele.
 Sa dau de ele nu inseamna sa si prind :laugh:

Muste? O sa ma bazez mai mult pe contraste puternice si enervante.
Aici intra atat muste puternic colorate cat si  contraste puternice ex: negru amestecat cu portocaliu fluo.
Cred ca cel mai mult voi incerca tuburi pentru simplu fapt ca trebuie sa stau lipit de fundul apei in niste curenti ciudati
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: hasu ma on March 06, 2013, 07:31:06 PM

  Eu inca de cand am citit articolul asta  mi-am zis ca o sa dau dupa mrene.

http://fliegenfischer-forum.de/taktik13.htm

     Locurile care stiu ca au mrene pe aici au cam 2 + m si curent maaare.  M-am tot gandit cu ce sa dau si astea ar fi cele mai potrivite pe langa firul sinking.

 
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on March 06, 2013, 07:41:54 PM
Headul ala prinde fundul in apa de 2m cu un curent destul de puternic.
Doar ca odata ce firul a atins fundul...ciuciu contact cu musca :-X


De la spinnig stiu ca le paleam pe recuperare destul de alerta. Si venea nebuna  cu o hotarare de ziceai ca voblerul ala ia furat cine stie ce avere :-\

De aia optez mai mult pentru un lanseu undeva la 30 de grade peste curent si apoi las firul sa se scufunde. Vreau ca musca sa prinda viteza cand ii trece pe la nas.


Din ce vad eu in articolul ala....un fel de stil cehesc mai la distanta. :-X
Dar ce este interesant, atat musca cat si faptul ca musca aia va merge cu varful carligului in sus, adica exact ca si un tub :)

Bine, putem elabora pagini intregi de teorii si  de concluzii trase pe baza logicii.
Dar cand ajungem pe apa  :-X :laugh:

Oricum, tinem legatura si la telefon ;)
Eventual facem si un schimb de muste ;)


Ai probat headul?
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on March 06, 2013, 07:45:17 PM
Si sincer, mi-ar face placere sa primesc un sfat de la cei care au mai dat cu DH-uri dupa asemenea fantasme.

Dragos? Vali? Andrei?? Eugen stiu ca mai citeste pe aici dar nu se baga in discutii ::)

Sau daca mai sunt colegi care au mai incercat/esuat...va rog, nu va abtineti :D
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: hasu ma on March 06, 2013, 07:59:03 PM

  Nici unul din ele, desi mi-am programat sa le incerc in fiecare weekend de cand le am.

Dar sper ca in luna asta sa pot sa le incerc, altfel trebuie sa ma apuc de dat dupa stiuci.
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: muskmd on March 06, 2013, 11:41:05 PM
io nu.
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on March 07, 2013, 07:29:16 PM
io nu.
Tu nu dai dupa mreana sau nu vrei sa zici  :laugh:
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: muskmd on March 07, 2013, 09:29:48 PM
nu dau ma  :laugh:
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Ovidiu_rods on March 07, 2013, 09:43:19 PM
lasa bre mreana..tu da un tar cand se face aba buna de plescait la "albitura"  :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on March 07, 2013, 09:44:44 PM
Roger that


Ma, da cum sa las mreana? Voi lasati nimfele? 8)
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Post by: Ovidiu_rods on March 07, 2013, 09:47:48 PM
Roger that


Ma, da cum sa las mreana? Voi lasati nimfele? 8)

chiar daca nu e frumos sa recunosc ..m am cam lepadat de ''necuratu"....arareori il mai invoc.. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
am gasit alte metode mai placute  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on March 07, 2013, 09:49:53 PM
Curent?  :laugh:

Ma, nu ma las de mreana, stiu ce poate face in bat si stiu cand este nebuna dupa pestisori.
Este o fereastra cam de 2-3 saptamani in care zici ca-i avat :o
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on April 04, 2013, 04:30:19 PM
Miscarea corpului si a bratelor...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htZ_vVW7AbM
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: muskmd on April 04, 2013, 05:35:55 PM
crapist ....  ;D
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Bogdan79 on April 04, 2013, 07:09:35 PM
Miscarea corpului si a bratelor...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htZ_vVW7AbM

Voi i-ati vazut pe arbitru si pe cei doi din spatele umarului drept al arbitrului?   Fereasca sfantu sa ne prindem si noi cum sta treaba la varsta lor :)  .  Dar niciodata nu-i tarziu. 
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on April 04, 2013, 07:45:56 PM
crapist ....  ;D
Da este!

Nenea ala din spate trebuia sa urmareasca leaderul sa pice intins perfect pe apa la partea de ancorat
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: cosmin81 on April 05, 2013, 01:52:34 PM
Aia e miscarea tipica de spey....vorba lui Andrei "crapist" in toata regula. Prea multa energie irosita dupa parerea mea. Tehnicile underhand si skagit sunt mult mai utile in pescuitul de zi cu zi. Daca vreti balet uitati-va la Eoin Fairgrieve si la Scott Mackenzie....si Ian Gordon. Daca vreti underhand atunci Goran Andersson, Henrik Mortenesen si fratii Syrtrad....astia sunt printre cei mai tari. Pe skagit sunt cativa: Ed Ward, Scott Howell si inca vreo cativa mai cunoscuti.
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on April 05, 2013, 01:58:30 PM
Ma uitam aseara la alti castori tot de competitie. Aveau ceva headuri luuuungi cat o zi de munca!
Acum daca ma raportez la lungimea headului, mi se pare normala amplitudinea miscarii.
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: muskmd on April 05, 2013, 02:41:59 PM
mie clipurile lui Goran mi s-au parut cel mai ok explicate...si destul de clar efectuate.... sau nah de acolo am mai banghit si io una alta....
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: cosmin81 on April 05, 2013, 02:54:32 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PR9se2KY8s4

Asta e Knut Syrstad la o competitie de distance cast din 2008. Uite miscarea de underhand cat de compacta este si totusi extrem de efectiva ...folosesti toata partea dinspre cotor a lansetei.
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: cosmin81 on April 05, 2013, 02:59:24 PM
Tot Knut (unul din cei doi frati Syrstad) . Am inteles ca LTS s-au desprins de Loop si acum sunt firma de sine statatoare desi LTS vine de la Loop Team Syrstad....au niste lansete bestiale, dar scumpe de dai in balbaiala.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX1E8ZNzTiM

Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: cosmin81 on April 05, 2013, 03:11:18 PM
Dap Mariane....daca vrei distanta, trebe head extrem de lung. Bucla e mult mai stabila in zbor odata ce a pornit bine si cu bolta :)

 Am avut ocazia sa testez un snur de o mana care avea belly de 26m....care teoretic dupa AFTMA era clasa 5 :))))....deci daca masuram primii 10m dupa definitia AFTMA reiesea ca e un snur fain de clasa 5.....dar am l-am lansat cu TicrX de clasa 9 :D. De aia ziceam ca daca cineva vrea sa parieze ca nu poti lansa 20m cu un snur de clasa 4, s-ar putea sa piarda pariul din start, numai din definitii :P :)
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: muskmd on April 05, 2013, 03:11:43 PM
care aveti fire in plaja 30-40 g ?
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: cosmin81 on April 05, 2013, 03:30:15 PM
Yoooo.... Un skagit Rio Flight de 34g si e pe drum un scandi airflo 480grains (vreo 31gr.)....Bog are de 650 grains ( vreo 42 de grame cred). De ce? :)
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on April 05, 2013, 03:40:15 PM
32 grame Rio AFS Outbound, ti-l trimit?
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on April 05, 2013, 03:42:31 PM
Dap Mariane....daca vrei distanta, trebe head extrem de lung. Bucla e mult mai stabila in zbor odata ce a pornit bine si cu bolta :)

 Am avut ocazia sa testez un snur de o mana care avea belly de 26m....care teoretic dupa AFTMA era clasa 5 :))))....deci daca masuram primii 10m dupa definitia AFTMA reiesea ca e un snur fain de clasa 5.....dar am l-am lansat cu TicrX de clasa 9 :D. De aia ziceam ca daca cineva vrea sa parieze ca nu poti lansa 20m cu un snur de clasa 4, s-ar putea sa piarda pariul din start, numai din definitii :P :)
Am dat 25 m cu un DT5 dar cu DH-ul cel mic....prezentari demne de o uscata pe 14

Acum am "incropit" un head din vreo 3 m (cotor de scandi) si juma de DT8....undeva la 15-16 m de head....te unge pe suflet cum merge la 20-25 m
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: muskmd on April 05, 2013, 04:09:48 PM
o sa vreau sa probez un 35-37g la un moment dat ... 28, 30  am si eu.....
danke, vorbim.

revenind la topic... eu am ramas placut surprins de distantele atinse cu single hand si head de Dh , adica de 10-12 m..... e suficient de scurt cat s amai reusesti sa il controlezi, suficient de greu cat sa il mai poti pune in miscare ...... si in rest, running sa ai :)
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on April 05, 2013, 04:28:06 PM
o sa vreau sa probez un 35-37g la un moment dat ... 28, 30  am si eu.....
danke, vorbim.

revenind la topic... eu am ramas placut surprins de distantele atinse cu single hand si head de Dh , adica de 10-12 m..... e suficient de scurt cat s amai reusesti sa il controlezi, suficient de greu cat sa il mai poti pune in miscare ...... si in rest, running sa ai :)
Ce clasa are batul si cate grame are firul?
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: muskmd on April 05, 2013, 06:15:49 PM
9wt  vs 28g
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on April 05, 2013, 07:50:28 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PR9se2KY8s4

Asta e Knut Syrstad la o competitie de distance cast din 2008. Uite miscarea de underhand cat de compacta este si totusi extrem de efectiva ...folosesti toata partea dinspre cotor a lansetei.
Spre deosebire de tehnica lui Goran, si la nenea asta ii pleaca cotul de pe langa corp.


Mie imi place mult de tipul asta
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nib1JwB12eE
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: colaps on April 05, 2013, 08:27:19 PM
mie asta :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vi2OwhxuE6M

e mai clar si mai inteligibl pentru mine . apropo ala e un switch sau dh ?
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: muskmd on April 05, 2013, 08:59:40 PM
cert nu a fost suficient de inteligibil :laugh:
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on April 10, 2013, 07:05:04 PM
O discutie  enteresanta  (http://speypages.com/speyclave/showthread.php?t=65902)
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on April 11, 2013, 06:33:05 PM
Am avut fir dintr-o bucata... :laugh:
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: hasu ma on April 11, 2013, 07:11:15 PM

  Ca tot veni vorba (nu cred ca e nici offtopic):

 http://www.hooked4life.ca/welding/welding.html

 Voi cum faceti buclele?
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on April 12, 2013, 11:33:49 PM
Voi cum faceti buclele?

O pun asa:

Daca nu o mierleam acum cu Outbound-ul asta, probabil ma limitam la bulca lui Dumitru.
Nu ma intelegeti gresit, daca firul permite asa ceva si am acul potrivit pentru ea, nu dau un pas in spate!!

No, beleaua cu Outboundul asta (desi era un fir intreg cu running line) este ca are inima din MONO!!

Yeap, MONO  >:D
Fu$%^4king bastards!!!

Gafa fiind facuta trebuia sa fac headul.

Am incercat sa-l sudez cu pistolul de aer cald.....nimic!! Nu mergea!! :-X
Poate daca aveam tub contractibil  transparent.... vedeam mai multe....dar asa....fix pix :-X

Sar'mana Boierului Eugen!! (again)

Am pus mana pe tilifon, l-am sunat in Olimp acolo la dansu si  mi-am zis necazul.

Problema am rezolvato cu o bucatica de running line de vreo 15 cm.
Am facut un sandwitch din cotorul de la head si bucatica de running line, am mai facut pe ele 3 noduri (cred ca nail knot le zice), tras tub de ala sensibil la caldura peste ele si gata! headul merge bine mersi!

Si daca tot eram cu problema rezolvata, am zis sa mai incerc si a doua varianta :laugh:

Bucla lui Dumitru (sar'mana boiere pentru bucla :-*) facuta din 30 cm de backing de ala sanatos si la fel, asortata cu 3 noduri de alea, tras tub peste toata lucrarea si gata.

Problem Solved :laugh:

Si vreau sa zic ca alearga printre inele cu amnesia aia :o
Numai bine l-am mai usurat vreo 2 grame.....ce sa zic...la 32-35 m controlez bine musca!
Multumesc pentru sfaturi. Aveam o mica problema ce imi footea meciu.
Ridicam prea repede firul de pe apa.
Cred ca mai bine zis este ridicam eu firul asa usor, dar cand dadeam sa formez bucla, musca pocnea cand iesea din apa si se indrepta spre locul de ancorare

Multumesc inca odata Boierilor :-*

Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: tavistan on April 13, 2013, 05:07:21 PM
Mah, Nuj ce să zic, cred că vas trebui sa verifici des nodurile alea; pe termen mai lung se deteriorează; e sarcina mare în nişte noduri şi numai pe cămaşă; eu aş pune mai degrabă bucle împletite... :-\

Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: cosmin81 on May 23, 2013, 01:06:00 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XupYKaGx3iU

Skagit Perry Poke ...pe canalul de apa calda de la Cernavoda.
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Leowb on May 23, 2013, 02:43:08 PM
Da ma misto ,cu Harisonu....../??
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: cosmin81 on May 23, 2013, 05:01:32 PM
Nope...cu TFO Professional, ala special de Skagit.  Harrisonul e bestial :) ....e al lui Bogdan care abia ieri a prins si el miscarea si a inceput sa dea bine.

Dupa ce a terminat Bogdan mancariciul sa ma filmeze, am descoperit ca incarc si mai bine daca aduc snurul ca la double spey si imi fac set-up-up ca pentru perry poke....sa vezi acolo distanta si viteza :D
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on June 03, 2013, 09:34:54 AM
http://www.salmonfishingforum.com/forums/thread19255.html
http://www.salmonfishingforum.com/forums/thread3169-2.html
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: tavistan on June 03, 2013, 10:11:12 AM
:-* :-*

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Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on June 03, 2013, 10:54:49 PM
Ma gandeam eu ca iti va place si ai timp de citit :D
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on December 02, 2013, 09:26:51 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mgjcoz8SFo
Nice loops  :laugh:
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Tavi on December 02, 2013, 04:03:35 PM
Nice loops dar nu vad la ce ajuta fluturatul ala inainte de D-loop... ???
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: tavistan on December 02, 2013, 05:09:37 PM
Hai, nah! fii si tu indulgent oleaca... Omu' a si zis ca e doar fooling around...
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on December 03, 2013, 12:30:06 AM
Dl. Vice nu citeste titlul :laugh:
Oricum, tipul este placut de urmarit....dar cand ma gandesc ca da cu clasa 12 si bete de 15 craci...daca nu si mai mari.... :-X
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: The Sovereign on December 03, 2013, 08:17:43 PM
se desprinde mai repede firul de pe apa si dind cu snur lung il impachetaza mai usor in spatiu mai strimt

numa ca el acolo se joaca..., aia se face dupa ce ai pescuit lansarea si-asadar ai iesit din zona de pescuit nu acolo pe peste caci nu e asa subtila smulgerea aia de pe apa si nici asezarea ei
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on December 04, 2013, 12:26:44 AM
Ce am vazut eu la firele mai lungi, gen 12 m, devin placute doar cand inveti sa controlezi putin bucla aia...pana atunci....like a virgin  :laugh:
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Elias on August 12, 2014, 12:40:02 PM
Ce enervant(de bun)e asta.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpel7Pb93cU&feature=youtube_gdata_player&hd=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrkUq_lg8aQ&hd=1
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: JB on August 12, 2014, 01:10:46 PM
Ala da tippet! Eu cand am pus mana pe fir, mi-o rupt tippetul numai ca a stranutat avatul
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Elias on August 12, 2014, 03:25:53 PM
Imi place miscarea din lanseta cu,care animeaza streamerul.Sau cel putin asa pare.
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: GeorgeS on August 12, 2014, 03:31:31 PM
Asta vroiam si eu sa intreb, asa se joaca pe loc streamerul la avat? Sau se trage de fir cu o mana, sa inainteze sacadat?
Nu rade, io n-am prins niciodata avat, mai cu seama la musca...
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: JB on August 12, 2014, 03:33:55 PM
Probabil ca in apele alea, e ca si cum ai flutura o sunculita in fata unei haite de maidanezi...pana la urma unul tot vine spre tine in speranta ca primeste sunculita :D
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Liviu on August 12, 2014, 03:38:58 PM
Nu ride Georgica, nici noi nu am prins constant avat! Am prins doar intamplator. Singurul care a prins e acum consemnat, asa ca ai grija!  ;D
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: muskmd on August 12, 2014, 04:11:30 PM
Asta vroiam si eu sa intreb, asa se joaca pe loc streamerul la avat? Sau se trage de fir cu o mana, sa inainteze sacadat?
Nu rade, io n-am prins niciodata avat, mai cu seama la musca...

daca va uitati cu atentie omul da cu gurgler....  ;)
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: GeorgeS on August 12, 2014, 04:24:18 PM
Singurul care a prins e acum consemnat, asa ca ai grija!  ;D
Si daca prind, crezi ca spun ceva? E cumparat dom'le! Si e oblete!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Liviu on August 13, 2014, 07:30:54 AM
no, fusai si eu aseara sa dau cu gurglere si nimic. adica am avut vreo 2 atacuri la gurgler, dar cred ca mai degraba de clean. Si n-o dat in el, mai degraba linga ... era si mare gurglerul meu, naiba stie. Iar la streamer 1 atac si ala tot pe linga  >:(
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: muskmd on August 13, 2014, 08:16:34 AM
 :laugh:
acu 2 seri o innebunit lupu ....
2 obleti frumosi pe streamere de avat. regulamentar.... nuj ce dracu i-o apucat  :laugh:
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Liviu on August 13, 2014, 08:30:29 AM
e clar mina lui Sheniloiu! el cu obletii lui si atacurile furibunde!  :laugh: :laugh:
dl. Shenila, unde esti de nu mai zici nimic??
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: GeorgeS on August 13, 2014, 09:24:26 AM
...mai degraba linga ...  1 atac si ala tot pe linga  >:(

Singura explicatie ar fi refractia, pestele se afla in tufe pe mal si a sarit pe streamerul din apa... Nu a aplicat unghi de corectie si ...ce ti-e cu fizica asta...
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: hasu ma on March 29, 2015, 08:01:02 PM


  Aricolul asta descrie un mod interesant de a pescui mai adanc mustele  fara avea nevoie de tip-uri scufundatoare

http://akflyfishingguide.com/getting-the-fly-down-here-there/

 Cred ca o sa incerc si eu sa vad cum e;

 
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Tavi on March 29, 2015, 09:08:21 PM
Interesant. Si ieftin. Muult mai ieftin.
Ar trebui sa functioneze.
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on March 29, 2015, 10:01:13 PM
Clar, trebuie incercat :)
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: The Sovereign on March 31, 2015, 10:30:13 PM

http://akflyfishingguide.com/getting-the-fly-down-here-there/

sorry  ! bate cimpii la prea multe chestii...

fix acu n-am timp sa scriu mai mult...
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Tavi on April 03, 2015, 01:05:05 AM
No, hai fa-ti timp. ;D
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: dragos74 on April 03, 2015, 10:42:18 AM
... in primul rand ca scrie prea mult ,si prea ingramadit ,si prea in engleza ...incat nici nu-mi vine sa caut frazele unde se refera in mod explicit la subiect... ;D
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: The Sovereign on May 18, 2015, 03:19:16 PM
No, hai fa-ti timp. ;D

am sa scriu ingrosat ce gindesc io despre...
ma rog... nu tzip... ci sper sa fie mai usor de citit...


What I am going to propose to the readers here may or may not be a new concept to you.
a fi sau a nu fi...  William Shakespeare... sau cum so scrie...
plus ca poate e un nou copcet.. sau nu...  pt tine ... tare...  :laugh:

 You may have read post from me at any time over the years about how
probabil si ista ie mare scriitor... , ca MAD... or something..  :laugh:
I rig my lines for streamer fishing. I am quite sure I am not the only fly fisherman who uses this method but I can say that I’ve never came across a detailed article regarding how and why it works.
deh... articol unicat ... speshil... detailat  :laugh:
Something else I should mention is that it is not my intention to ‘convert’ people to this way of doing the job, I don’t sell leaders and am not affiliated with anyone who does. It’s just a way of doing things that I stumbled into and then fine tuned over the past 25 years. din fire desinteresat dar incearca sa capete greutate in cuvinte si asa zisa credibilitate  in cuvintele si parerile lui prin asa zisa "lunga iexperienta de peste 25 de ani "
How you sink your line or fly is a big thing to consider. This is true whether  you use a Spey rod or a single hand rod when swinging streamers / Spey type flies / salmon flies. It seems an ever growing array of lines are being produced to meet this need doesn’t it? What I am going to describe is a method I took up in 1994 and continue to use today. Prior to developing my skills with the system I will describe as best I can to you, I carried either extra spools or reels to meet certain conditions. Justifica parerea prin simplificarea alegeri daunata de abundenta produselor pt acest tip de pescuit revenind concomitent la metode mai vechi pe care el le foloseste si in ziua de azi The most economical aspect of the system is that it eliminates the need to purchase spare spools and the expensive sinking lines we would put on them.
Proclama aspectul ieconomic al sistemului care chipurile ielimina necesitatea de a achizitiona tambururi de rezerva si fire sink " scumpe "
Probabil iel nu a auzit de ochieturi la fire...
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Before you read on and before I continue writing there’s something to get out of the way first. We’ve all heard someone tell us, “If you aren’t getting snagged and losing flies you aren’t doing it right” or some version of that philosophy haven’t we? I hope you’ll have an open mind and understand that I don’t take offense when someone says that to me. I also will trust that you will not take umbrage when I say that I do not enjoy becoming snagged every sixth or seventh cast. I really don’t like losing my flies and I think one of the most ridiculous things I can see while I’m out fishing is someone who, every time I glance in their direction is tugging and bouncing with their rod due to being stuck on the bottom. Honestly, I don’t care how many fish that fellow may catch, there are no fish worth that level of frustration to me that would compel me to do it. Ar fi de comentat dar asta ultima e ma tare ca toate... , adica ... if one... ar fi interesat sa fie cit mai ieficient ... sa prinda...  asta insemnind sa pescuiasca iextrem... eventual sa piarda o musca doo iel nu... ! I have been there, I have tied slinky’s to my expensive fly lines and my 400 dollar rods all the way back in the 1980’s. It didn’t last long, not at all, a few hours and I’d had enough. Mda...  in citeva ore de pescuit consta iexperienta lui pe baza caruia scrie ditai articolu ... I love to fish and better yet I live for days when not one thing can bring a foul word from my mouth, heavy weights combined with heavy sinking heads will make you curse. Me, I’ll settle for a few less fish and a curse free day.
Mda... prefera sa prinda mai putin... , ok ! incepe sa-mi placa de iel ! " la cit mai multi ca iel "! I’m a fly fisherman and I don’t spend a lot of time tugging, rod bending or leader popping because I’m stuck to the bottom as if I were fishing bait with a sinker. There, I said it, Now you know where I’m coming from so let’s continue.
uailei... pt iel firele sink sunt ca pescuitul la fund cu rima groasa...  :laugh:

Anyone who has fly fished using both a floating fly line and a sinking line knows that these are two different worlds when it comes to casting. Two things (although there may be others) stand out when you make the switch from floater to sinker or sink tip line. Most sink tips have a 15’ section spliced and molded onto the front of a floating line and these are much more common than full sinking lines to most of us I believe.  Let’s look at fishing a streamer with a floating line first. Rather than to expand on this I will suggest that you read the article just below this posting titled ‘Fishing / Controlling The Submerged Fly’. 

I think we can all agree that casting is easier with floating lines. he he he You are able to swing your fly until it hangs straight downstream and then sweep up the rod and a significant length of fly line to re-cast without too much effort, correct? asa... si  ? :) Now when you put on that 15 foot type 6 or Hi Density tip things will become a lot different. You will notice that in overhead casting the sink tip will not only feel different but in most cases it will fly further when you let her go. mnah lucram cu materialu clientului...  , pe de o parte floating e mai usor pt  ca putem sa pescuim "neglijabil " iar pescuin cu fire sink lansam cu usurinta mult mai departe... daca o lasam sa fuga...  :laugh:... lasam pe fiecare sa gaseaca asa zisa " usurinta " dorita  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:  I was always a fan of that added distance on the forward cast. I started with a sink tip line in 1979 and believe they were just being introduced around that time. Prior to that I had a full sink as my wet fly line but we’re talking sink tips and I digress. Aside from that presumed added distance on your delivery cast there is a minor amercement involved with using a sink tip line. You’ll no doubt notice straight away that it sure won’t sweep up with the same ease as your floater will it? When using a sink tip I customarily I had to strip in a great deal of my fly line prior to re-casting. Now if you are catching a fish every other time that you are dragging the fly back upstream I won’t tell you not to do it. OK    :laugh: I myself have caught so few by that means over the past 4 ˝ decades that I found it to be almost punitive ( aspru / pedepsitor / represiv greu )  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: to have to strip in all that line for every cast.  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Please bear in mind I have never been much of a Stillwater fly fisherman where this stripping action can be of premier benefit, I fish streams & rivers primarily. 

deci el scrie din punctul lui lenes de vedere ce si cum...

Enough of the buildup..  , asa am zis si io !  :laugh: how do I get away fishing my streamers and salmon flies without using a sinking line per say? I use small sections of various sinking materials in the middle portion of my leaders. I have talked about this in the past but this writing is meant to lay out the specifics of ‘How, Why, and when I make the decision of what length and weight per inch of the material I utilize in any and all fishing situations. When I first took up fishing using a 13 foot Spey rod I fell for the sink tip trap.  I thought fishing with a Spey rod was a whole new thing, wrong! It’s all the same, but let me explain what happened. I bought a Scientific Anglers 55′ mid belly Multi Tip Line. I used that line for an entire season and by June of the following year I was so frustrated with my lack of improvement as a Spey caster that I was at my wits ends. It was at that time, camped on a river here in Alaska which was full of salmon, however I was struggling so much with my casting that the fun index was at a very low point. I waded back to shore where I had a chair unfolded and took a seat. Quite disgusted at that moment I was questioning whether or not I could do this. Of course the long rod had its advantages and not all casts were complete failures but something was wrong. As I sat there my gaze fell on the boat and in it sat my old tackle bag. Why not, I thought, why not use the same leaders and lead heads I’ve been using since 1994 on my single hand rods? It should work! To the boat I went and retrieved my old bag and within a few minutes I had tied some Perfection loops into some mono for a butt and for a tippet. The center section which is a weighted line comes with a braided loop on each end and ready to go so no work there. I threw a leader together having a 48” braided lead head from Beartooth Montana  fishing products. I had bought a bunch of them at a going out of business sale back in late 1993 or early 94 and had used them with great success on PA. & CO. streams and rivers until I left for AK. ten years ago. The difference was realized immediately, I could cast without my line stuck in the water like cement.  That was 2011 and I never looked back. Prior to taking up the Spey rod I had used these leader sections on my single hand rods but somehow thought / believed a Spey rod was different. No they are not!
as zice ca omul e " stuck  like cement " in past... and old habits !

.................. ma opresc aici
I will try to explain how this works and why I believe it is (for some) perhaps  the best way to fish submerged streamers on any fly rod with a floating line opposed to sink tip lines. When we use a sink tip line or attach a tip directly to the floating line it sinks. The problem is that not only does the length of the sinking Tungsten line sink but because it is spliced directly to your floating line it will tend to pull the floater under as well. At first just a few feet of the floating tip and as the line is used hour after hour you may see as much as the first ten to 15 feet of your floating line going subsurface too and I don’t mean by an inch or two.  I can’t be alone in this observation can I? If you have already read my writing on fishing and controlling the submerged fly then you know that the mainstay of fishing them is to have, and to maintain control by mending with the floating line. It is Simply a fact that the more of your line that is beneath the surface the more difficult it will be to affect control over the fly itself.

Now let us use the mind’s eye to envision something different. You have a good quality floating line and have kept it clean and dressed with a product tailored for this purpose. That line floats very well and when you have allowed it to make a complete downstream swing it has barely went beneath the surface on you.   Somehow you felt confident that you had your fly swimming deep enough to attract a strike had there been a willing fish there. How’d you do that? If you are doing what I do, you had between 5 and 6 feet of 30 pound monofilament attached to the end of the floating line. Looking at the simple illustration below follow this concept from the floating line to your fly.

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Your long mono butt has very little resistance to being dragged under the water unlike your hi floating fly line and can be taken down using significantly less than 15 feet of sinking line. This is due to mono having a higher specific gravity than water, it’ll sink on its own. When you attach any form of weight to monofilament it will sink quickly & readily. When you attach a 4 foot (or longer / shorter) section of T material to the end of the mono butt section that weighted line with a much higher specific gravity than water will take the mono down & do so rapidly without disturbing the floating vinyl coated fly line to any great degree. Your line stays up better and longer on every swing while the fly and the leader find the fish.

You’ll notice that you have a length of tippet material which due to its reduced size offers even better sinking properties than the 30 pound butt. If you chose to attach a weighted fly such as a cone head or similar to the tippet it too will have a propensity to sink. Depending on the length and weight of your weighted leader section you can determine how fast and how deep the fly and tippet will sink. You can mix these combinations up as follows: a heavier section of T material like T-14 and an un-weighted fly will allow you to put the leader at or very near the bottom while the fly should maintain its course slightly higher in the water thus avoiding possible snagging. Conversely you may chose to go with 5 feet of T 8 or 11 and use a fly with a weighted head or cone. These decisions are made site by site taking into account the velocity of the flow and it’s depth. Slower water allows for even more choice in how to rig and swifter flows dictate heavier leaders and perhaps flies also.  Capisci?

Because the sink tip is not connected directly to the floating line your ability to mend and control that line right down to the tip is greatly enhanced. By spending just a very short time observing your leader & fly at close range while counting seconds you can easily ascertain how quickly the unit as a whole is reaching a known or perceived depth. I gotta ask; are you getting this or is it confusing  to you, if so just comment and I’ll try to clear up any questions.

Now if, and that is the key operative word here ‘if’ you have been focusing on reducing drag on your floating line as discussed in the article about fishing & controlling the submerged fly, you are getting the hang of allowing your fly to reach its maximum potential depth. You are reaching this depth without the fly being moved to the surface by excessive drag formed by the bow in the line caused by current, or by overzealous line movements made by you the fisherman. When you combine good line management & control habits with a mental awareness of how the fly is being sunk and at what rate, you are able to present your fly where the fish will see it.  My observations on fly control using this type sink system are as follows: because the mono butt section has very little resistance to the water it readily will react quickly to any change of direction imparted to the tip of the floating fly line via you and your various mends for directional control. Because the weighted section is at the very longest, 6 feet, it will also react readily to being directed by the fly line and the fly and lighter tippet follow suite. You can judge quite well what your fly is doing directionally simply by looking at the end of your floating line, because it’s floating  it don’t get much simpler than that, no more guess work, you can become adept at knowing what’s happening underwater. I once wrote that “until you are in control of your line and fly in an active fashion, you are just standing there holding the cork”. There are times when I just hold the cork, but it’s nice to believe that you can impart some action and control if you deem it appropriate wouldn’t you agree?

Regardless of what you use to sink a fly there will always be a section of water so swift – so deep that nothing short of a 1 ounce bell sinker will reach the bottom. These areas in my personal view were not, and are not meant to be fished with traditional fly gear and so I don’t bother with such water while fishing. That isn’t to say that I don’t swing through it as far down as I can get to see if there are fish willing to play nearer the surface, I just don’t try to feel the bottom nor am I obsessed with the notion that I must.

If or when you adapt to this system of fishing with your streamers you will notice how much easier it is to bring a 2 – 3 – 4 or 5 foot length of T line up to the surface for re-casting than it is to strip in a 15 foot sink tip to a manageable length. Part of the strategy and technique of fishing wet flies is to cover as much water with each successive cast as possible while continually moving the cast and swinging fly down the stream channel. Once you have adapted a means to do this without time spent pulling in half your line before re-casting you are fishing more. This ability is also very helpful when you locate a fish that taps or bumps your fly during the swing but fails to get hooked. If you are able to cast again without significantly shortening your line it is simple to repeat your exact cast both in placement and length of swing / arc.   I have to ask again; are you getting this concept? Is this making sense? God, I hope so because it took forever to compose to this point  What I just told you is the best method I have found to produce a ‘come back’ strike from a trout – salmon or steelhead. ie;  Knowing that your fly is taking exactly the same course through the stream because you were able to sweep up your line to cast without stripping in. This allows for you to duplicate any cast or to shorten it by a foot or two before throwing it back out. I generally go shorter by a foot or 2 because I’ve seen countless fish return to the same area but a tad further up channel when they stop, then drifting back to find their sweat spot in the current. The important thing is I have essentially the correct length of line before I even cast again…….

In the diagram, all of the connections are made via loop to loop splices.

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If your fly line came with a welded loop you may want to consider the braided connector that I will show you in an upcoming post here, you’ll have to scroll around to find things due to the way WordPress enters my writings here, sorry.

If you are currently carrying extra spools or reels to accommodate changing between floating lines and sinking lines the method I have attempted to explain may be useful in lightening your load. If you are currently using multi tip lines – sinking leaders like polly leaders that attach directly to your line and essentially do the same thing as a sink tip ie; drag the floating line under and protest when you need to sweep them from the water to re-cast, this may be helpful to you too.

 A quick recap: I’m not saying it’s right for everyone but it works for me. I determine how much and what weight section of T material to add to my leader based on best guess in regard to current and average depth of water fished. If I run into a shallow run and have 5 foot of T-17 in my rig, I cast more quartered down and across and I hold the tip back toward upstream to create drag enough to keep my fly from snagging. When I come into a run averaging 6 feet deep I cast straight across and use the mending and following technique described in the Fishing the submerged fly article. Pretty simple, it’s actually a trigonometry exercise, angular velocity is what you are trying to solve for. If you are mathematically inclined you can easily create an equation for what we are trying to do if that will help you in grasping the meaning of this entire article. 

I will put together a ‘How To’ post for making your own T sections if there is a need, you could I assume find a video on-line easier though 

n-am rabdare sa scriu mai mult...
probabil mai la subiect ar fi sa scriu cum merge mai bine... si de ce metoda lui e fara " cap si coada "

orice fir sink si lider formeaza o burta ... pe care musca daca e nelestata o urmeaza...
mijlocul burtei fiind punctul cel mai inferior... cel care se va agata !
nah... cu cit liderul e mai scurt  si mai subtire cu atit musca aia urmeaza punctul cel mai de jos ( inferior al liderului sau snurului ) mai repede si mai adinc

lestind burta aia / liderul la juma... e adevarat caci musca va merge mai repede mai jos dar aia insemna ca firul / liderul se va agata mai repede... deh chestie de preferinte ! nu pierde musca ci lideru plus musca  sau snuru  :laugh:

stau sa ma gindesc care o fi mai ieftin... , un snur sau un leder plus musca sau doar o musca ?

despre lungimea , si grosimea liderului cit si conicitatea firului in fata am tot vorbit... , stiti toti implicit aspectele care´i formeza " calitatile " sau sa zic asa comportamentul... , oare ala e scopul ? sa ajunga liderul la fund ?  sau sa ajunga musca la fund :laugh:

Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: colaps on May 18, 2015, 09:50:23 PM
nici nu ai scris mult.... cred ca rest inca nu au terminat de citit si deaia nu mai zic nimica :) oricum... Dumitru is back :))
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: The Sovereign on May 18, 2015, 10:56:20 PM
ce am scris mai sus o fo tot prin prizma lui... adica pe riu... , apa curgatoare
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Liviu on May 18, 2015, 11:49:38 PM
... cred ca rest inca nu au terminat de citit si deaia nu mai zic nimica
io cred ca nu au pareri de exprimat din prizma faptului ca nu dau cu DH-ul decit putini. Iar acei putini ... fac parte din Fan Club Dumitru, deci cum naiba sa asisti la altceva ...  ;D

Revenind ... Dumitre, cum naiba se agata mijlocul unui snur? Adica face burta, se lasa mai jos si se agata ... Pot sa imi imaginez ca se agata mijlocul burtii, dar tragind in continuare de snur ... se prinde carligul in agatatura si rupi carligul, ba poate si lederul, dar de ce snurul? Lumineaza-ma te rog.
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on May 19, 2015, 12:04:05 AM
pai bre Liv, treaba sta asa

Ai musca nelestata, clar, forma ei va opune ceva rezistenta la inaintare prin apa, implicit si la scufundare.
Deci clar ca va fi mai sus de varful snurului. Fapt ce se traduce in burta aia de care zicea Dumitru (Mitre, desene, atat iti zic  :D)
Eh, daca musca iti inoata nestingherita mai sus, burta aia clar va lua contact prima cu substratu sau cu creanga/bolovanu...etc deci, se agata.
Daca ri-a trecut vreo pisica calea cand mergeai la pesti, si snurul tau sinking defapt se da printre bolovani si dupa bolovani....iti dai seama ca-l zgarii sau julesti cand vrei sa-l scoti.
Nu dam noi in conditiile in care da Dumitru (Mitre, oare ti-am zis de desene?  :laugh: ) printre stanci sa le footem asa usor.

Mai bine iesi si pune firu ala sink cu un muddler mai generos la cap  si o sa vezi exact efectul  :)
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: muskmd on May 19, 2015, 07:13:48 AM

Nu dam noi in conditiile in care da Dumitru (Mitre, oare ti-am zis de desene?  :laugh: ) printre stanci sa le footem asa usor.


iar faci postulate hellule  :laugh:

care-s conditiile alea?
eu cu sink dau numai in zone cu curent mare si betoane, stanci , adica in locurile clasice de salau.... fa tu calculele.
in afara de un head pierdut acu 2 ani ( m-am ambitionat sa pun leader gros tare dupa o ruptura) nu am avut emotii. in schimb , pe swing si cand ii dai fir ca sa coboare am avut episoade in care s-a agatat firul in fier betoane, iar din cauza curentului mare se infasoara in feluri care depasesc imaginatia mea.... greu de tot , am reusit s ail scot.
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: tavistan on May 19, 2015, 12:15:43 PM
Toate ca toate, poate metoda merita incercata dar mie nu mi se pare chiar asa o bucurie sa lansezi chestia aia; un SH scandi cu taper luuuung si finut pe varf sa smulga instalatia aia care are la un moment dat un T14 de un metru jumate... cred ca trebuie sa faci niste ajustari semnificative si mai la deal de segmentul ala; adica la SH... Deci nu dai cu ala care-ti place ci cu ala care poate sa faca treaba.
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: The Sovereign on May 19, 2015, 12:27:10 PM
mah...  , omu o scufunda...
in schimb...  o scufunda de unde nu trebe

care vrea sa incerce... , n´are decit !  :laugh:
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on May 19, 2015, 01:29:02 PM

Nu dam noi in conditiile in care da Dumitru (Mitre, oare ti-am zis de desene?  :laugh: ) printre stanci sa le footem asa usor.


iar faci postulate hellule  :laugh:

care-s conditiile alea?
eu cu sink dau numai in zone cu curent mare si betoane, stanci , adica in locurile clasice de salau.... fa tu calculele.
in afara de un head pierdut acu 2 ani ( m-am ambitionat sa pun leader gros tare dupa o ruptura) nu am avut emotii. in schimb , pe swing si cand ii dai fir ca sa coboare am avut episoade in care s-a agatat firul in fier betoane, iar din cauza curentului mare se infasoara in feluri care depasesc imaginatia mea.... greu de tot , am reusit s ail scot.
Mereu exceptia.... :laugh:
Cine te pune sa dai acolo sa-ti footi firele?  :laugh:
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: tavistan on May 19, 2015, 01:40:13 PM
...
Mereu exceptia.... :laugh:
Cine te pune sa dai acolo sa-ti footi firele?  :laugh:

Strapii, bre! si piticii aia cu somnu'!
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on May 19, 2015, 02:05:36 PM
Las' dupa aia da cu jigu' cand este presat de timp.

Pitici cu somnu? Sa-i pune elice pe tippet sa-i vibreze mustata
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: muskmd on May 20, 2015, 11:32:27 AM
jigu o fo pe post de sonar ma....
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: guvidu on July 05, 2015, 09:35:48 PM
Dupa luniii de ploi,am reusit sa ies si eu pe apa cu 2h-ul de 5/6 ,toate bune doar ca am asa o impresie ca am pus headu-l invers pe bat,underhand nu puteam da doloc mai mult statea snurul in aer,decat in apa.eu am luat headul care are o portiune galbena de cca 4 m si verde,de la rio e headu,intr-o parte are o portiune verde de cca 10 cm in cealalta vre-o 6 m de verde,no,cum trebe pus ?dupa mintea mea am legat amnezia de aia 6m de verde si partea galbena groasa vine in fatza de care am legat leaderu.nu rade-ti prea tare :)))m-am gandit la firele wf care au greutatea in fata si l am pus asa,dar nu reuseam sa fac cast cadea ghemuit in apa ca bolovanu:)))ideii sugestii sfaturi injuraturi toate is primite:)))
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Tavi on July 05, 2015, 09:45:36 PM
Partea groasa a headului catre mulineta.
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: CretiuRaul on July 11, 2015, 05:40:27 PM
Ma baieti, dupa ce m-am jucat cu speyu lui guvidu mi s-au nascut pitici :))   ma roade de un switch 5/6  la avat, ceva recomandari ce sa fac cu piticu?  :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: AdrianP on July 11, 2015, 05:53:58 PM
daca mai are ceva din ele.. si omori si piticul  :laugh: :laugh:
http://musca13.ro/forum/index.php?topic=1200.30
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: CretiuRaul on July 11, 2015, 06:24:50 PM
7/8, prea mare pentru mine, imi trebuie ceva mai finuț ;D
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: hasu ma on July 11, 2015, 09:31:20 PM
Vezi ca are Dreamer  de la Jaxon.

 Eu am unul de 7/8 si e ok
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: CretiuRaul on July 11, 2015, 10:40:48 PM
Monolith-ul?  L-am vazut si ma roade tare, dar ma cam înțeapă pretul de nou :/ (+head, +mulineta...) 
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: hasu ma on July 12, 2015, 12:00:10 PM

   Iti recomand totusi sa incerci.  orienteaza-te pe chestii mai ieftine pana te dumiresti ce si cum.
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: CretiuRaul on July 12, 2015, 12:27:05 PM
Chestii mai ieftine zici?  Eu n-am mai auzit pana acum "DH"  si "ieftin"  in același context  :laugh: :laugh:  :P
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: hasu ma on July 12, 2015, 01:29:00 PM

   :D :D :D :D

 Pai jaxon-ul e un exemplu viu  :D :D
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: CretiuRaul on July 12, 2015, 01:55:39 PM
Într-adevăr ii mai ieftin decat fratii lui cu doo maini, dar 500 lei nu-s putini  :-X
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: hasu ma on July 12, 2015, 02:07:37 PM
 

   Poti incerca si un microspey sa vezi daca iti place DH-ul.

   La distante  de 18 - 25 m e ok. Si e mult mai accesibil 

   
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: guvidu on July 12, 2015, 10:52:22 PM
De cand i tot zic ca are o joarda de 10 craci sa il faca micro spey dar mna...nu crede in asa ceva:))
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on July 13, 2015, 02:01:41 PM
Bre, hai sa nu incurcam oalele... :-X
Exista doua "clase"
1. DH - DoubleHands - Two Handed
Adica joarde ce sar de 12' (picioare)

2. Switch
Ce este mai mic de 12' (picioare)

Eu zic ca introducerea unui alt termen va creea stari de confuzie.
Termenul este introdus doar din ratiune de marketing.


Plus, este foarte clara diferenta intre cele doua.

Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: CretiuRaul on July 13, 2015, 02:16:48 PM
Voi proba headul ala cu snowbee-ul de 10 fiti si daca imi place il trimit la schimbat manerul
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: hasu ma on July 13, 2015, 08:35:32 PM
Hell,

Mie mi se pare ca tu gandesti in limitele impuse de marketing.  :D :D :D :D

 daca ne intalnim aduc microspey-ul/ micro-switch (sau cum vrei sa-i zici) sa- l testezi.

Sunt convins ca o sa iti placa.

@ Raul

 Inteleapta alegere. Greutatea head-ului e f importanta. Daca stii clasa exacta a lansetei ai nevoie de un head cu 3-4 clase peste cea reala. Lungimea head-ului sa fie in jur de 2.5 lungimea lansetei ....

Sper sa iti placa
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on July 13, 2015, 11:03:07 PM
Doar ca foloseste aceleasi principii ca si spey-ul, nu cred ca este ok sa fie bagat in aceeasi oala.
La origine, betele de Spey veritabile sunt undeva la 18 craci...
Eniuiei, va creea multa confuzie noul termen.
Plus, deja exista ceva docmentatie in mediul online cu sub denumirea de Switch....why the fac sa creezi mai multe confuzie?  :-X
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: muskmd on July 13, 2015, 11:03:41 PM
io ma rad olea si mai am un pic si pun la vanzare DHul
are atat de putine aplicatii la noi in tara....
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on July 13, 2015, 11:05:28 PM
Cred ca mai correct ar fi "tot mai putin peste"  :-X
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Liviu on July 13, 2015, 11:26:30 PM
Cred ca mai correct ar fi "tot mai putin peste"  :-X
negativ: io prind tot mai mari  :o
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on July 14, 2015, 12:07:22 AM
ai prins un clean mai rasarit gata...tot mai mari  :P :-*
Da, am oxervat ca multi din Timisoara pe feisbuc pun pesti mari. Se pare ca aveti un an bun.
Baga mare!
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Liviu on July 14, 2015, 12:43:24 AM
Nu-i prins pe Timis! Pe Nera l-am prins. Asta asa ... ca sa contrazic ce spuneau unii ca pe Nera ar fi numai beldite  :laugh: :laugh:
Povestim zilele urmatoare? Ai terminat cu banchetele si betiile?  ;D
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Hell on July 14, 2015, 11:27:08 AM
banchetele da...betiile acum incep :laugh:
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Varu on July 14, 2015, 01:39:21 PM
 Desi m-am apucat de iexercitii DH inca din iarna cu Sage One 7-8 de 12,6 a lu amicul meu (se vede joarda in poza), si reusesc acu zvarlituri onorabile la distanta , mi se pare ca ma incurca grozav toata instalatia...Vin de fiecare data momente mai tehnice, pe sub praguri, dat in spatele pietroaielor, ba vezi un bas aproape, tre sa te dai nitel in spate si sa plimbi la botu calului, da headu e pina la dracu de lung....etc...Sa nu mai zic de peste mic prins cu prajina aia....Zice amicul...-ti-o las toata vara daca vrei si o iau in septembrie cind incerc la somon....Zic..-  MMM...nooo....multzam de oferta...poate ti-o zgaraii si te superi pe mine apoi... :D
  Zice el...-  da-o drecu ca si asa nu-s incintat de achizitia facuta  :laugh:
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: guvidu on July 14, 2015, 03:54:33 PM
Ce vrei sa zici cu asta? :P :P ca noi astia care ne muncim cu prajinele alea lungi nu avem senzatii tari? Eu is multumit daca imi iasa cateva lanseuri nici nu imi trebe peste:)) mai dau sub cate un prag,agat streameru intr-o creanga ,creste adrenalina pentru o secunda si ma duc acasa:))))
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: hasu ma on July 19, 2015, 08:49:05 PM


 Azi am pescuit la clean doar cu microspey si 90% am folosit lansari underhand.  Nu a fost moft, ci doar asa se putea pe raul in care am fost.

   Lansari undeva in jurul la 15 - 20 m, fara problema. Precizia mai lasa un pic de dorit, dar cred ca aici mai am eu de lucru.

  Una peste alta am prins 4 clenuti  in jurul a 20 - 25 cm, exclusiv la slap, desi apa era murdara - vizibilitate cam pe la 30 cm.

  Deci consider  ca microspey-ul asta merge si la clean, la slap.

 
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: Tavi on July 19, 2015, 08:50:17 PM
Reusesti sa pleznesti slapul lansand underhand?
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: hasu ma on July 19, 2015, 09:14:04 PM

Fara probleme, chiar f tare .     

Pica firul de musca prima, dar folosind lider de 4 m  nu conteaza asa de mult.

 
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: guvidu on October 09, 2015, 04:32:32 PM
Mno,imi trece prin cap noutatile de la bfc cica e blank tfo fara brand pe el.se combina careva ca eu as lua unul??
http://bfcflyfishing.com/en/next-30-million-carbon-switch-fly-rod-blank-12ft-4wt-5pc-p-2595



Daca mai vrea careva switch de 4 pm.
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: muskmd on October 10, 2015, 06:49:37 AM
12 ft e 3.6 si ceva m :lol: , pana la 4m mai e de mancat....
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: hasu ma on October 10, 2015, 11:34:23 AM


 Si pe mine m-ar tenta un BFC de 9 picioare si clasa 4 .......  Are careva dintre voi? Puteti sa-mi spuneti parerile voastre despre el, daca ati avut ocazia sa puneti mana pe el?

 @ Guvidu - la ce vrei sa-l folosesti BFC-ul de 14? Pe ce ape?
Title: Re: Double Hand - ABC
Post by: guvidu on October 10, 2015, 05:27:32 PM
Aries/mures clean ude mari in dead drift
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